I do see you @bender and I fixed the email routing now. Please try to resubmit your poem.

@prologic yes, please do

@prologic Hmm don't really remember... Do you want the search engine to cache images too? it seem to just strip them our right now: https://search.twtxt.net/twt/fh4u7va

@prologic It does not, but I hope to get some help with this issue

It need to be a proper link to the domain. And mention is linking to a profile page on the pod, so it doesn't validate.

Yarns does not generate a link back to the site that is being mentioned (eg. `look here`) which is needed for validating that it is indeed a real webmention, ant not just spam. Try rereading the specs😉

So this was right all along: #1156 - Webmention: a source doesn't mention the target - yarn - Mills

Jibii!

@prologic a link header where? It also need a link from here back to the link referred in the webmention
like this http://darch.dk/social/ and @that might work

@prologic it does not😢

@prologic i am, but closed open registration long along, so don't think anyone uses neotxt besides me. And with Twtxt-php/timeline I'm getting closer to pulling the plug now I got a working alternative.

@xuu thank you, but does it only work between yarnd pods or also to endpoints like https://webmention.io and does it it detect that I declared such an endpoint on darch.dk when someone mentions @sorenpeter ?

@prologic So I had a look at the yarnd source code, but can't say that I'm much wiser on how it send out webmention or how to send them to a yarnd pod. Can you break it down?

@prologic I'm trying to figure out how it works to begin with and how I can make it work with my own domain http://darch.dk -- See my questions above in #jlrsduq">https://neotxt.dk/conv/3x6bsna#jlrsduq

@prologic To outline what is needed for implementing webmetnion in a twtxt-webapp like twtxt-php/timeline or yarnd

@prologic here is your reminder in form of my Notes on Webmetions for Twtxt

@eapl.me cool, how you you like it? (And sh!t now I have to make sure it works, not just for me;)

But I manged to send myself a webmetion using `curl -i -d "source=http://algorave.dk&target=http://darch.dk" https://webmention.io/darch.dk/webmention` since I got a link on algorave.dk to darch.dk

@prologic is there a feature flag to add for webmention support or how does it work?
I excepted if I mentioned my feed on darch.dk @sorenpeter then it would send a webmention to that domain, but where is the link on the yarn pod, that confirms the mention?

EDIT: I found this 7 months old issue: #1156 - Webmention: a source doesn't mention the target - yarn - Mills

@eapl.me nope

I have added a webmention endpoint to https://darch.dk using https://webmention.io - let see if it work from neotxt.dk to @sorenpeter

@lyse hmm yeah, also not sure how this should work for multi-user pods. It should only trigger an email when it show that they do not follow you and, it should not be an automatic one. If spam becomes an issue you could use a forward email address for this feature.

@lyse I'm also on the e-mail wagon here. On http://darch.dk/timeline/conv/oe3howa I have added a "Comment via email" botten if uses are not logged in. This feature could be extend to other places in the various UIs. Like we already got the "Does not follow your" / "Follow you" on the profile page in yarnd, so this detection could be used to sugget the user to email that person, when mentioning them.

Oh so that's what the geo-info is use for - sunrise and sunset.
It reminds be about https://poleclock.com/ that is very useful for online meetings across timezone - like when we were having our yarn social calls back in the days

@eapl.mx Nice description of twtxt and thanks for linking to my (broken) code

@bender thanks. I know.

@mckinley
- my https://github.com/sorenpeter/pixelblog and https://github.com/sorenpeter/yellow-twtxt
- Picoblog (php and python versions) from: https://github.com/hxii?tab=repositories&q=picoblog
- and https://github.com/eapl-gemugami/twtxt-php by @eapl.mx

@movq "This is not a pot of gold" (source: https://www.baumhopf.com/einhornkotze.html)

I have had good experiences with Nokias both smartphones and features phones

Breaking it to make it better ™

@bender nope I think I broke it myself. That is what happen when you live code directly on one's server

@eapl.me Thanks :)

@mckinley My idea is that lists can be both private and public, so you can share as list of curated feeds on a specific topic with others and also have a private list of feeds you don't want the world to know that you are reading. Making it work as a public format first was the easiest to do on top of twtxt-php.

@mckinley not sure I follow?

There is not metadata extension for lists just yet, but my idea is to have lines like this in your main twtxt.txt:
`# list = Name of List https://darch.dk/twtxt-lists/twtxt-feeds_by_me.txt`.

Each list-file is then just simply as list of feeds like this:
`# follow = darch https://neotxt.dk/user/darch/twtxt.txt`

Alternatively you can set up a RSS reader and follow the approved channels for them.

Have you tried the browser plugin **DF YouTube (Distraction Free)** ? Both available for Firefox and chrome

@prologic Some inspiration for logo and icon design: Why the Twitter 𝕏 Logo Fails - YouTube

@prologic I will still keep my darch.dk/twtxt.txt and maybe move back in with you on twtxt.net (just to save the rent ;)

@bender !doh

@eapl.me Care to share the code running https://eapl.mx/twtxt/ ?

@carsten Viel Glück. I'm also considering shutting down neotxt.dk, since I have not used it much for the last months and I have never gotten any real users beside myself. 🖖

@prologic I've been having a play with Cabal - decentralized local-first peer-to-peer group chat (like IRC/Slack) and really like it. But coming out of SSB is it is missing cross-device users and there are no working mobil app or web app atm.

@carsten For images I have recently found Tropy (made by the same people as the Zotero bibliographic reference management). For my workflows i'm find with keep text and visuals seperate and the combining them when need using Dropbox Paper also does markdown) when needed to share something quickly with friends and family, or putting it together for blogpost in the Yellow CMS

@BBS It seem to be the pre-parsing of #tags in picoblog that messes it up

@BBS yes this works

@lyse yeah I was also thinking that it might be a spin on the tulip mania

@lyse what is the "joke" with lupines? Is there a pun or something to why he robs the rich of their lupines?

@prologic that if we want to get more people using twtxt/yarn, mastodon, ssb, matrix etc. etc. we should focus on making sure these alternative solve social problems that they understand and care about instead of just talking about the technological aspects

@adi good to be reminded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypr18UmxOas

@carsten I'm still getting back to nvAlt and Sublime Text for over 10 years of trying different apps. The txt/md files are stored in Dropbox so I can always get to them and on my android using Simple Text

@movq good stuff

@chunkimo you can put your $$$ here: https://opencollective.com/yarnsocial

@marado wow someone is follow this mess I'm marking -- yes I like this one too.

@rrraksamam like how? There are some settings for images under look and feel. Are you using inline or lightbox?

@chunkimo Try clearing you cookies or in another browser to see if you still get the error

Actually the trash-icon could just replace the mute-icon since you would never need to mute your own posts, right?

@carsten Like this?

Should be fixed now in and can be downloaded from: https://github.com/sorenpeter/yellow-twtxt

@kevin All right so the problem is that `+` are converted to spaces in URLs.

It would be better if you used `Z` instead of `+00:00` in your twtxt.txt, but editing this for existing posts will break threading (which you do not seem to use anyway).

I can also try to make a fix, so `+00:00` is stripped from the links.

@chunkimo It's not that much work to setup a pod, but selfhosting your twtxt.txt is easier, but then you will be lacking a UI for reading and posting.

I'm self-hosting this feed and displaying it on my site and got a post and image upload feature going using my own php-tools. You can learn more about it on http://darch.dk/social

There are also terminal base solicitous, such as @movq's jenny and @lyse's tt

@prologic yes, just build it on a dev environment and uploaded the files to my website before uploading the files to GitHub. I got it running on http://darch.dk/social

@prologic Come to think about it, I'm more in favor of @lyse 's approach; Make it human readable with relevant links and not do anything specific for the machines. This is almost already the case for twtxt.txt served by yarnd, we just need to add a line to the Yarn.social section explaining about the extensions.

If you delete the `+00:00` part form the URL it works: https://sus.fr/en/social/twtxt/?id=2021-08-02T19:02:37

Ah, I what the problem is now: You are using +00:00 instead of Z in the end of the datetime. I'm sure `+00:00` can be supported as well as `Z`, but if you are up for it take a look at the source code if you are not allergenic to PHP

@lyse i don't have much more than this. But I agree to keep it simple. I like your approach.

@kevin 🤩 not sure about the view for individual post... Will you open at issue on github about it?

@kevin cool, i have actually not tried to install it myself yet on a fresh yellow install. Let me know how it goes🍋

@prologic use zzome cssleep

@prologic yes, but I don't got the time...😅

It should have stayed "... so it wouldn't be everywhere"

I'm 4 hour delay on my train trip home from the Netherlands and will first be in bed after 02😴

@prologic and it even looks okay on mobile without any extra work, but it does not like long names:

@prologic I think both me and @carsten are both only talking about getting a delete bottom, not edit besides on the latest post.

UI wise I would only put it under one's own profile or even only under settings, so it will. It be everywhere.

@prologic Yes, but how can it be done?

This should be an option to do this in the web gui and not only via the `yarnc` terminal client or API.

@marado obrigado 🙏

@abucci is it fiction, made up

All art is a lie. But the art-ifical can point our attention and experience towards (a/the?) truth which cannot been seen or heard in the natural world

@lyse thanks for bringing it to my attention. I have unfollowed your archive feed now

The "problem" as I see it is not technical, but social, so we should try to approach solving it according.

I'm with @abucci here. Let's enjoy our freedom to listen i.e. not pay too much attention to people how argue for the sake of arguing.

A way around their criticism choud be to put a disclaimer in our twtxt.txts stating that this feed uses features that might not be compatible with some clients. Like the old "Best viewed in Netscape"-icons

@prologic Having to deal with json and cryptography is not very appealing to me. It's the simplicity and hackability of twtxt.txt that I'm drawn by. That you can in fact handwrite your posts and you can throw pretty much anything at it after the datetime+tab and it still being somewhat human readable and work in most clients. If you do something that a client does not like, then you will have to take up the debate with the devs or make your own. And if people like some features that you invented, then your new client might get more users, or your end up doing something just or for yourself.

@prologic Also considering the original tagline of twtxt:

> twtxt is a decentralised, minimalist microblogging service for __hackers__.

if a hacker can't handle some markdown and urls in their microblogging, then user != hacker

This is a nice idea: Suggestion: a convention for multiline statuses (line breaks) · Issue #157 · buckket/twtxt -- But it would break out treading model with `(#hash)`

I don't buy jan6's premise that twts with markdown and image links is hard to read. Markdown came out of how people simulated typeset text in plain text and the URL part of links to images and others resources are also easy for humans to read and parse.

Multi-line is another matter, but I also never used the original client. I guess it could have been implemented in a was that would not break other clients. Using something like `--` or just two space at the end of a line like in markdown would also work.

@shreyan and @shreyan-jains-blog you are welcome:)

@prologic it does one thing well and is modular

@shreyan Got it working now -- just needed to figure out the right URL: http://darch.dk/wp-test/twtxt

1. Download zip from https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-twtxt/archive/refs/heads/master.zip
2. Unzip it and rename the folder from `wordpress-twtxt-master` to just `twtxt`
3. Log in via FTP and upload the `twtxt` folder to: `wp-content/plugins/`
4. Go to http://example.com/wp-admin/plugins.php and activate the plugin
3. Wait a bit or swap themes to get it to render the twtxt feed
4. Access the twtxt file via this URL: http://example.com/twtxt (no `.txt`!)

Hmm I can't make it work either... Maybe open an issue on https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-twtxt

@shreyan have you tried this? How to install a WordPress Plugin from a downloaded zip file - YouTube

What about a PineBook or PineTab with a keybord: https://pine64.com

@axodys I'm also a happy user of NetNewsWire in combinations with self-hosted FreshRSS as a backed to sync to other devices besides my Mac. And migrating my YouTube subscriptions to RSS is such a nicer experiance than being locking into the dark design patterns of YouTube's web UI.

@carsten sehr toll

cool, what time and is it online?

Looking at the wrong URL `https://neotxt.dk/external?uri=https://df/twtxt.txt&nick=df` it seem to insteat `nick/` before the propper URL of the twtxt.txt-file

Hmm it only seem to happen, when I'm logged in. Visiting https://neotxt.dk/twt/nvvwcea from another browser where I'm logged out I get the right URL: `https://neotxt.dk/external?uri=https://dfaria.eu/twtxt.txt&nick=dfaria`

@prologic from this twt: https://neotxt.dk/twt/nvvwcea

@shreyan did it work?

@prologic if it ain't broke don't fix it

@prologic I got an idea for splitting up the feature under `/feed` and move it to either `/discover` and `/settings` which will free up a slot for `/logout` in the topnav - how does that sound?

@prologic Then it should only be `filters_` since we don't have `and_lists` yet😅

But there are still an inconsistency with what you get with the mentions-filter vs. the` /mentions` page.
I'm voting for removing the mentions-filter and keeping the `/mentions` page, since the latter shows the latest mentions and I like to have it as a top-level view:

And yes, where do we want the logout button instead?

@prologic just unfollow my old feed, should that not fix it on the mobile app too?

@prologic you are still tagging my old feed, so I don't get the mentions

@prologic that's the beauty of twtxt 🤙

@prologic maybe this will work: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-twtxt

@prologic seem like spam is a real thing in the fediverse - one more reason to to keep twtxt/yarn sticky pull-based.

@prologic g'night all 🥱

@abucci what if is say "NFT is bad" ?

@prologic but did you muted the tread? if not it just a very confusing error message

@prologic yes lets get bottle mail in yarn🤣

@prologic (and the 🪙 dropped)

@prologic I just copied it from: #1135 - Add support for converting URL into embed code - yarn - Mills

@carsten not for syndicating/re-posting your posts from a yarn social to other platforms. But I guess the might already be some indieweb tools for taking in a RSS-feed and posting it to other places.

@prologic but you do know who bought twitter last year?

@carsten So you want a gallery view of all you uploaded media?

@prologic Really? You can't `telsa` who it is?

And quote of the day from On POSSE and IndieWeb | Joel Auterson

> I’ve largely avoided Twitter since Space Karen took over

Looking at the IndieWeb service of Bridgy there might be a fairly easy way of connecing ones yarn-profile to ones mastodon via: Bridgy Fed

@prologic Agree 💯 (which should not suppose you after our talk yesterday)

@prologic It looks and works fine at my end (the sounds are suppose to be weird ;)

@carsten Yes, an option for deliberate cross-posting or POSSE the IndieWeb way is more appealing to me also to keep yarn.social feeling light and clean. In that way your twtxt feed would be the backbone of your own site and then have some middle-ware, which cross-post to your mastodon account and whatever service you fancy to use:

Let's see how it handles soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/darchdk/clamsong

@prologic How was this a bug?

@prologic works now after upgrading. Super cool feature

@prologic How do I turn these notifications off?

I also believe it should be it's own bot 🤖 instead of using the support-account

I don't like where this is going with a push-model like Activity Pub being mixed up with yarn social. Activity Pub might be all for **freedom of speech**, but with the issue that @prologic outline the is a real potential of it turning into **freedom of shouting**.

What I really like about twtxt is that is based on a principle of **freedom to listen** where you can chose who to follow and are not force-fed someone else's agenda, that you don't care about or want to deal with.

@screem What are you plans for a "nice(r) UI/UX"? Is it for the web or app version?

Guess I need to update my pod then, but it still say Success when adding `https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral` as a new feed.

@prologic Hard if you are a bot...

@prologic I'm not a big fan of dropshadows tbh. Why the hover effect?
And the use of a button design for Reply, Yarn, Mute and bookmarks, become a bit to cluttered for my minimalist taste. But good to see you exploring CSS :)

@prologic then what is the reason then?

@prologic to combat spam and badly implement clients? Is the issue really that big? Also it cloud be turned on/off under the poderator settings, maybe as a feature flag

@justamoment no idea for mobile (yet). But we could also use different colors for the logout. Like we used to have a secondary (grey) color for settings and logout, before I came in and messed with the css 😅

@prologic yeah we can do something like that for the mobile-web version as well

@prologic

- I tried with the username instead of "profile", but year we can do that.
- before we make a dropdown we need to think how that should work on mobile

@bender in what way?

@justamoment so align the logout to the right maybe?

And now also the user's avarar instead of the profile icon:

How about putting the logout under settings like this?

@justamoment I have also played with idea about splitting up the navigation into a pod level and user level. And interesting idea to have a bottom navbar for mobile.

@eapl.mx Glad to hear you are using (my) phpub2twtxt

@prologic yes I also made something like that once way way back😉

@prologic Yes I have tried to have the avatar in the top right in an earlier design, but it still needs some work - especially on mobile (not shown)

@prologic Would it make more sense to put it under Settings? I think it is a waste of space to have a dedicated icon in the topnav for something that most people would not be using on a daily basis.

@prologic you are welcome 😊

@prologic nice 🦓

@bender great, glad to hear. Then @prologic just needs to merge the pr and update his pod for bender to be a happy 🤖

Better fix for safari/ios overflow · c283a91f07 - yarn - Mills

(maybe) fixed the overflow issue on safari · f1d4b6a0f2 - yarn - Mills
It live on neotxt.dk so i will open up for registation today, if anyone with an iOS want to test it

@bender and @prologic what version of Safari are you guys using?
On my MacBook im stuck on Safarie 15, but in Safari 16`overflow-clip` is supported and sounds like something that could fix the unwanted horizontal scrolling issue: https://kilianvalkhof.com/2022/css-html/do-you-know-about-overflow-clip/

@prologic will bebther shortly. Just need my ☕ and breakfast

This is also how I mosty been working with all the UI design I have been doing for yarn social

@bender what do you mean with "content creation" ?

@bender you did not. i just didn't notice it was not the same tread.

@bender ah okay, so nothing to do with the horizontal scroll. Thanks for notices and bringing to attention

@bender `.tabs .tab` are not appied to `

` or `

` so i still dont "see" the issue.
> please provide screenshot with comments. Preferably as an issue on the gitea for yarnd

@bender please provide screenshot with comments. Preferably as an issue on the gitea for yarnd

@bender then you will need to make a test account or wait for someone with their own pod to test it

@eaplmx neotxt.dk is already running the profile2 branch. You can only switch the branch if you are the admin of a pod. You can spin up a test pod, but that is a lot of work just for testing this, if you have never done it before.

@eaplmx but on twtxt.net right? Try on my pod or the `profile2` branch

@abucci word! #sunkencost

@bender I don't have any issue on my android phone in chrome or jQuakes browser from f-doird that I use daily.

@bender it might be fixed on the CSS from the new profile2 so take that for a spin and report back

@bender I don't own a iOS device so can't test this...

@prologic also you mentioned my old account

Hmm no idea what that is. It not just the native features of iOS safari? Do you get it on other sites as well?

@prologic we might, but for now the front-page explains is pretty good

@prologic one of the latest commit made it link to yarn social, but I have not update the version running on neotxt.dk yet

@prologic I tried to write something about platform and protocols before (https://blog.neotxt.dk/protocols-not-platforms) by the word ecosystem mig be s better fit because it sound less technical

@eaplmx thanks, yeah I at least want to make the text white in the buttons. But these colours have nothing to do with the new profile. You can change them under settings/poderator if are an admin

@eaplmx yeah that have never been a feature...not my fault 😅 you need to use the add link under settings

PR ready: #1116 - WIP: New profile view with media filter
Still some issues with the filters on profile pages, but otherwise it should be ready and it already live on https://neotxt.dk/user/darch/

@xuu yes I had too. The fix was to delete all the cockies for the pod(s) you have been logged. I think I started when I was running my own local Dev pod and the the bowser get the cookies mixed up between the pods

I did't "do" much beside keep nagging about getting someone else to code the feature ;)

@prologic Signed up to be a supporter now

@prologic a UI to see all the users on your pod and info about last seen an number of post should be enough to do a manual seek and destroy once in a wild.

@prologic Will try to join the call at 12 UTC

@bender be careful what you wish for 🤐

@abucci go take a look at kdx.re

@mckinley oh fuck it wobbles too...

@jlj I'm 36 so we could have been the same age today, but I first learn about him from the movie _The internet's own boy_

@kdx nice avatar and welcome to the twtxtery/yarniverse

@abucci because that guy "learned" some "aweome css-hacks"...

@prologic I can live with that. And it's also more in line with the "privacy-first focus" of yarn.social.

@prologic so will you still be able to see who follows you? But other users/guests will not be able to see a followers list fo other user besides themselves?

@support Should these mentions be public like this? also that is gonna create __a lot__ of noise/spam

And some screenshots for the video and form this one as well: How we deal with long posts in FeedLand - YouTube

More info: http://docs.feedland.org/categories.opml

@prologic So each user on a pod would no even be able to the list of who follows them? Or is it just the counter you want to get rid of? And both for Followers and Following?

@prologic a what?

@prologic yes that is about right

@prologic Not but it seem to be good enough for this😆

External and selfhosted feed:
Feed on an external pod:
Feed on local pod:

Hmm I need to work our the logic for the last one for internal users to not show the link to home pod

@eaplmx gracias namnam

@prologic I think i found a hack:
`{{ if not (eq $.Profile.NFollowers 0) }}`

@prologic fair enough. I will find a way to design around it then

@prologic so you don't think we can test for it in any way? Like there are some backend communication happening between pods, right?

@prologic I need to filter out profiles or feeds that are not on any pod, but selfhosted like with lyse, movq and my own at http://darch.dk/twtxt.txt, since these does not have a rss/atom feed (https://neotxt.dk/user/darch/atom.xml) or a profile page (https://neotxt.dk/user/darch) and it therefor makes no sense to show links pointing to 404

@prologic and that will not just give me internal users instead?

@prologic I could use some help in figuring out how to only show the homepod and RSS link if it is actually there. Is there as way to know in yarnd if the feed is on an another pod or if it is self hosted and does not have RSS or profile page?

Now with Logout move to your profile page, which can then be easily accessed from the topnav:


And a CSS-only modal for the Mute/report feature:

Some more work on the new profile_ui:

Yes that make sense in regard to indirection.

@prologic to work as a bridge the the indieweb world. What do you mean by _indirection_?

@prologic because TT looks cool on the screenshot with the nested threads. But tbh i never gotten around to try out any CLI/TUI clients beside the original one by buckket

@abucci agree so much with these problems. When it looks like an e-mail, but is not, that will confuse the hell out of most people compared to a (sub.)domain syntax.

It is not all twtxt.txt file that adhere to having a `nick = ` or `url =` field int them, so the only information we can be sure of is a URL to where the twtxt.txt is served from. That leads to using a domain+path-to-twtxt.txt as be most unambiguous identification and also how the original `https://darch.neocities.org/twtxt.txt and then we could omit the `/twtxt.txt` in daily conversation. `@URL>`https://darch.neocities.org/twtxt.txt and then we could omit the `/twtxt.txt` in daily conversation. ``

but I do get that you want to build something better

@lyse I like the idea that you are still using the original client as a backend and `tt `is just a frontend. And would like to be able to use it one day

@lyse I'm no longer using my account on twtxt.net, so no real need to still follow it.
I just keep it around to preserve the history and if I ever need to log in and test something on twtxt.net.

@lyse yes to what @prologic said

New profile_ui is slowing coming together:

@prologic yes and leaving out the nicks which you can also not really edit when they are saved to to yarnd following list. You need to delete and re-add them. But if we get around to building something like this http://darch.dk/yarn/lists-mockup-01.html then it would be easier to fix

@prologic My point was also that the client should match and replace `@prologic` with `@` and prompt the use in some way if there are more than one prologic like yarnd already does with the popup and autofill.

@prologic so anyway people should start using the longform mentions of `@nick@url` and not just `@nick` and the the client (yarnd) need to verify it and convert it to the proper mentions. Maybe even just as `@source.url>`` to omitting the spreading of bad nicks. (Ref: twtxt file — twtxt 1.3.2-dev documentation )

@prologic I only had MacBooks where it a reasonable feature to put the computer to sleep to conserve battery

@prologic I'm still on MacOS 11, but can you still use apps such as Caffeine?

@prologic cool, so can this be used to improve the data quality of various nicks on each pod? I don't see a `"nick":` field in the JSON

@prologic no but we could make some recommendations for how clients are to deal with issues like this

@prologic yarnd simply does not understand markdown tables, i guess it not included in the parser.

@lyse any idea how to fix this accoss pods and self hosted twtxt files?

@lyse you mention here looks wierd

@prologic #vikinglife

@prologic I'm on Old Zealand but we still got 9.5h left of 2022

Also if you go to the link you can see that I added a RSS/atom feed as well, which i believe used to be there back in the days

@justamoment yes this exactly the idea with the `[text in brackets]` 😉

@justamoment that's great and the horizontal scroll should first kick in below 740px, above that the filters simply do a line wrap as before. But I guess you already know that after trawling thought the code😉

There is a PR waiting to be merge now fixing the overflow causing horizontal scroll on mobile

It includes the horizontal scroll for filters on mobile, but it commented out in the CSS for the time being.

@prologic also: mobile - Filters in a horizontal scroll or in a dropdown; what is better? (i made an example image) - User Experience Stack Exchange

@prologic so you just want a dropdown instead of a horizontal scroll? I'm not gonna do it this year, since I believe what we have now is sufficient. At least until we got lists up and running as I posted about earlier today: https://neotxt.dk/twt/vef7xva

@prologic so it is the dropdown feature that you like?!

Sure we can do that, but then the user have to type out what they want and it don't see that as very mobile friendly...

or do you mean the filters in the side menu?

@prologic ah okay, so just like using `site:` or `date:` in any mainstream search engine. Why do you bring this up here?

@prologic nope, do you mean topics like https://github.com/topics/twtxt ?

@bender it was on someones request not that long ago

@bender so it doen't work or??

Added horizontal scroll for the filters now too:

@justamoment _and_ @bender try to visit my pod https://neotxt.dk where I'm now running the overflow_bug branch and let me know if the issue is fixed when using your phones, so I can make a PR.

I have summarized what is needed to implement lists a feature in yarn and maybe other clients too. I it broken in to steps where we need to work out step 1 (backend and data storage) before we can start to implement the UI (step 2-5): #issuecomment-14835">#937 - Categorisation of feeds/users - aka. "Lists" - yarn - Mills

@prologic and other, when we got a way to store the data about list for each user and functions to view and edit them, I will continue working on the UI:)

@justamoment are you @bender ?

I think i nailed it now: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/branch/body_overflow_bug

@justamoment can you post a screenshot?

@bender how much does it move and what phone and browser are you using?

Congrats and nice to see some more live coders and algoravers here in the yarniverse

@prologic is this something you can work width?
https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/branch/lists_ui

giving off some aphextwin vibes

@prologic What are the logic behind having checkboxes for a list of ones lists? Why would you want to add them together again after you split them up?

**EDIT:** Aha it for adding a feed to a list. cleaver 😎
So it would be a feature next the the follow-button maybe

@prologic maybe, it's been years since i used something like this.

Have you tried software KVMS like Synergy (paid) or Barrier / Input-leap (Open Source) ?

@prologic yes I wanted to have a feel for how it should look before digging into the guts of yarn.
Do you or anyone else got some opinions or feedback before i start coding?

@prologic something like this?
live on the same link as before (just scroll down;)

@prologic Ah got it. It' because I never use the window capture - only full screen or selection.

@prologic what app do you use? Or it just some setting in the default screencapture of MacOS that I just don't know/use?

@prologic how is it you make these neat screenshot with windows shadow on a transparent background?

A!

@prologic I would't stay sleepless over this either.

@abucci was it this post? Is the fediverse about to get Fryed? (Or, “Why every toot is also a potential denial of service attack”) – Aral Balkan

@prologic I might be able to make it at 12 UTC tomorrow

@justamoment it.not material (by goggle) but a modified version of the yarn emoji from twitter's emoji set (also probably not the answer you where looking for;)

Line 122 in: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/branch/main/internal/theme/static/css/99-yarn.css

@prologic also you mentioned my old account on twtxt 😉

@prologic sure, but can't promise when atm. The CSS class is still there, but the rule(s) are commented out, so anyone can just go and reactivate it..not sure how good it will look though...

@gnuposting you need to upgrade your OS

@prologic yes, if you don't click on either the reply or fork button, and just start typing without reading what is already in the postbox, this has happens to me several times.

@prologic and @tel this might be why as we talked about some days ago: https://neotxt.dk/conv/2giomoq

@justamoment if you need to include more icons then I put together a short howto at the wiki: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/wiki/Updating-the-icon-font-file

@prologic I already got some drafts floating around. Some on http://blog.beotxt.dk and some unpublished.

```
Ha! I've just noticed that code blocks already work this way and it got a nice border around it which we could render on mobile
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@justamoment good to know. And I think we can either pop out the `.filer-nav` element from `

` or use some absolute position to make it work. I also seen some implementations with a gradient fade to each side.

@eaplmx sure thing, see you (and other?) there!

At 07 AM CET which should be 06 AM UTC works for me, but I'm also fine skipping it and sleeping longer on my Saturday for once like a sane person

seem straight forward: https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_menu_horizontal_scroll.asp

@justamoment yes that is also a solution I've been pondering and easier to implement for now

@prologic Yes I been thinking about the same. Epecially ~~if~~ when we are to have more filter.
I would go for putting the filters in an `

@justamoment thanks I will make a PR over the weekend then

@bender great to hear. And yeah I know I need to fix the top banner on my server 😉

@bender try to visit my pod http://neotxt.dk and see if it's better there now

@justamoment yup I just had a look at it: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/src/branch/footer_overflow

not sure if I fixed the issue yet or just created more problems...

@justamoment thanks for that. I hope that will be easy to fix

@eaplmx cool, how do we see the results? On mobil is looks and works fine but yeah there are stuff that can be done to improve the layout.

Hi @bender and thanks for letting us know. I have never noticed this, but I see it now too. What device and browser are you using?

Interesting that they point at #https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=autocrypt> and #https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=deltachat>

Not sure how the two would work together though is that is at all possible

@movq I think the webclient on my phone "cookie jar'ed" that mention. We need to find a way to clear the postbox so prefilled text is not carries over from difference view. Right now it seem to just store whatever. @prologic or others, do you have any idea how to fix this?

@zags i guess not, since the hash is calculated from the content of the post

WINAMP

@eaplmx yes that I how I think it should work too here on the web app

@eaplmx if you look at my two replies to https://neotxt.dk/conv/wnvp5ja i hope it makes sense. Looking at the raw txt that is.

it not a trick. just a convention for splitting up quotes. if you look at the two post i may earlier today you will see what I mean

this might be an option for yarn pods to get a a little funding

From: https://www.kooslooijesteijn.net/blog/make-volunteer-driven-open-source-projects-successful

>Software doesn’t become user-friendly by accident. So before you have code written, you need a plan.

> 1. You need to think beyond your own needs.
> 2. You need methods to get good feedback, because describing a project to people new to your project is hard and probably requires several iterations.
> 3. You’re not going to get this right on your own: you need people to provide feedback and you need people who can write well, translate and present it visually.

> Even if the hands-on design work would be covered by volunteers, we need someone to make sure that it all comes together. That all that work has unity and consistency within and between products. And that there’s a bit of quality assurance.

> Often software starts with dogfooding founders, with features that solve their personal problems.

> Define your vision and mission. Write a manifesto! Inspire people with exciting words.

From: https://www.kooslooijesteijn.net/blog/why-is-free-open-source-software-badly-designed

> With software it’s clear: when you don’t have programmers, you don’t get a computer program. But when a team is employed to develop a product without designers, a design gets made nonetheless. Accidental design. Bad design, most likely. But with no designer around and no one listening to users, the client is not going to notice.

> (...)

> Great design isn’t done by picking up a tiny issue and creating a solution for it. It’s done by gaining deep understanding for the problems people have, the context in which they use products and by testing solutions with people. It’s labor-intensive and requires people who are engaged with their users over long periods of time.

> (...)

> In volunteer-to-volunteer situation, they just have to hope someone feels like doing it. **If the frontend developer is like, ‘Yeah, but I like it the other way’, designers are shit out of luck.**

@eaplmx wow that is a fucking goldmine of good observations working with you guys on yarn.social - especially the previous article: https://www.kooslooijesteijn.net/blog/why-is-free-open-source-software-badly-designed

@eaplmx look good, great work. I'm getting a bit confused with the icons, especially the colours. If preferred is to be above available the the colour should be flipped so preferred is green and available is yellow similar to a traffic light 🚦

Doodle.com uses `(✓)` for their middle level called something like `yes if needed` vs just `✓` for `yes`

@abucci I been thinking about that too at some point. I believe that was the original reason form the 140 character limit on twitter.

Aslo made a page on the wiki explaining how to Update the icon font file

@mckinley hmm it doesn't seem that ladybird support CSS gird, which is was a lot of the changes/improvementsvare using instead of flexbox.

@stigatle do you have any always on devices in your setup? That one of my biggest concerns for me to switch from dropbox - that I would not always be working on the latest version of a file.

we can start now or in 5 min

@prologic yes, see ya later

@prologic you posted the timeslots when I was sleeping so it was a bit hard to set my alarm for 06 CET😴

I would prefer if both times lots was an hour later, but I could do both/either if I knew it 1.5 days in advance so I could plan accordingly 😊

@prologic link is not working....

@lyse danke, i've fixed that now

You could set up a RSS for your miniblog (if it's not already thee?) that people could then followed via feeds.twtxt.net

@abucci no, because twtxt is pull only. The comparison with email is more that is not just one server by one company, but that no one owns the platform, since it not a platform but at protocol

@justamoment twtxt don't have headings, so do you mean the username?

It says here that you can run your own server: https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam

@mckinley I will probably be going out at that hour tomorrow. But your guys should just go ahead a have a yarn if more people can meet there

@hashrock you can already point pixelblog to an external twtxt.txt, but generating thumbnails does only work for local files.

And for mockup take a look at: https://darch.dk/pixelblog/gallery/

But it would be nice to have a more tumblr look with thumbnails in their propper aspect ration as in your mockup above.

@prologic that is 4 in the morning, so it will be sleeping there💤

and then this could be a reason to show the type for Normals feeds as well and then do the color thung

@prologic yup I think that will do for now, though it is not available on mobil.

okay, so the icons for type of feed (bot, rss, human?) could be in different colors depending on if you follow it or not: `--text-light` for not following and `--accent` if you follow them.

@prologic maybe, but we already got a lot of icons in the ui. Also what would be a good icons for "you already follow this feed / you do not follow this feed" ? and thidly all icons is for actions, this would only be information.

@stigatle yes that would be a nice feature. An easy way of indicating it would be a border around the avatar in a specific color -- or that might be taking too much attention.
It could also be a hover/alt text

@eaplmx unfollowed https://texto-plano.xyz/~eaplmx/twtxt.txt now

@prologic i also find this confusing, both the text and icons for reply and fork so I'm planning to come up with a more clear design where there might also be some visual ques to if this is a reply to the ongoing conversation or a branc/fork/sub-tread

@eaplmx tooo.muutch.animaaation but otherwise cool

you can make an raspberry pi into a fm transmitter by just attaching a wire to one of the gpio pins. i tired it and it work

@eaplmx good idea to use check boxes, but not sure how to make it work...

Something like this:

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I would suggest putteing the filters in a sidebar. With simple.css we can already use `

@prologic Can you also try to make a filter for posts containing images and other media? both markdown `` and links to .png .jpg .gif etc.

Then we would already have most of what we need for a thumblr/Instagram view for yarn/twtxt

@prologic a flat files and folders CMS written in PHP, similar til WordPress but way simpler. Does the link not work? 🤔

@prologic the CMS I use for www.darch.dk and blog.neotxt.dk

@prologic sure, but first I a couple of days since I'm still traveling (will post photos soon too;)

Will you make an issue and tag me on gitea?

@prologic a sort option would be nice for newest/oldest

@prologic it could look like the gallery/grid view on http://darch.dk/pixelblog and work in a similar way where each thumbnail links back to the post containing it

one option is to make an extension for a CMS like yellow which i been using for years and I already talked with the devs about twtxt

@hashrock yes that is exactly my idea with pixelblog, and I'm up for working together on improving it or making it part of `yarnd`

@hashrock you can log in with you existing GitHub account, that's what I do

@hashrock you can edit you latest post, so that kinda works like a preview, but yes that would be a nice feature to have a proper preview before posting

Hi @hashrock and welcome to the twtxtverse. I have made a front-end for twtxt with a focus on visual content called pixelblog, but we hope to make some of these features part of yarn.social as well someday :)

@prologic I would like to have that for my pod as well.

Maybe we could have a filter based on the new `type=` so RSS and bot can be ignored?

@carsten Ja, Ich speche ein bisschen Deutsch, aber nich so viel as Dänisch ;)

@prologic Nice idea and looks good too. We should add a alt/hover-text explaining the type, so it's clear that Bots and RSS are not people and you should not expect replies from them. Hmm maybe you should be able to expect replies from bots if someone makes an interactive bot.

@prologic will there be any documentation on how this new api work?

@prologic Great, then I just need to fix the mobile view

@prologic also was the radio buttons or check boxes emnty when you first loaded the new branch?

@prologic thanks😊 yes that was also my idea that we could reuse the design other places. If you check under Poderator on that branch you shoulde see it effects there too.

We still need to work out the mobil view for the tabs-desig - I would like it to show the tab-labels all stacked on the top so it's easier to pick the one you want to go to instead of scrolling and then clicking the next one to show.

@prologic I didn't find a better way allow the form to work across the tabs, than what I made yesterday, so I just made some small CSS fixes and cleaned up the code a bit.

The issue with the autofill in seem to be related to my Firefox settings.

Can someone else take the settings_with_tabs branch for a spin on a dev-pod, to make sure it doesn't accidentally delete the users settings or something, before I make a PR?

@tkanos twtxt is already mentioned on: https://indieweb.org/twtxt
But I have set up IndieAuth, so I can login with my domain. What do you want to change?

@prologic are you using gmail?

@eaplmx fixed and merged: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/commit/221a6cb0ee545a6366519a304e2174407cf890a4

There is xmmp , but I know, it's not the same

@tkanos wow is that a game. Best show to be cancelled too early. Need to rewatch it soon

Hmm for some reason the Custom Secondary Colors is filled in with the content from the tagline-fields...

ha! I think i "accidentally" fixed it, by adding `id` to all the labels, which was missing them and was not clickable.

@prologic one nice way to fix this would be to split up `action="/settings"` into 3 endpoints, so we chould have 3 normal forms instead of all the orphans

@prologic So I did something else with the Setting page: I added tabs, which mean that I got some new issues with `

` since it now split into three.

I got it working now by using `id=updateSettings` in an empty form at the top, and then adding form="updateSettings" to all the now orphaned inputs etc., but now the existing settings are not loaded into the form elements, as you can see on the radio buttons in the screenshots.

Anyhow have a go at in the new settings_with_tabs branch :)

@eaplmx @prologic what browser are you on? Because i don't see the chopped-off issue in firefox...

@mckinley that is seem to still be a query search for when you know what tag your are looking for as I read it, not a way to list the tags that are being used

@eaplmx a more recent talk: Decentralized Social Media: Can Peer-to-Peer Lead to Less Toxic Online Platforms? - YouTube

@eaplmx scuttlebutt is very cool indeed

So to begin with, is there or will there be a `list tags` option in the new search?

@prologic Here ya go: PR: Change --accent-bg to: #212121

@prologic i can also just barely make out the difference tbh. In my first commit it was #<222 https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=222>, but I cange it to #<111 https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=111>, so let's go back to #<212121 https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=212121>

@abucci tbh I didn't read the post before, i just needed something with `code` in it. Reading it now it quite funny

@eaplmx and @prologic I updated the Amoled theme and added the `--icon` css var to this PR





We need to rollback the addition of the Amoled, but first when we are sure we want to do that?

@prologic hmm what about that `yarnd `talks to `yarns` behind the scenes, and `yarnd `then have a timeline that is just all the know feeds (global search) and we do filtering on that one?

@prologic should we make the amoled theme the default dark yarn theme?

@prologic Okay so I noticed some issues looking at the working almond theme:


- the `--accent-bg` is too light compared to the all `#000` background, so I would suggest that it will turned down to something like `#111` and maybe also the border color to `#333`

- It seem that I have not styled the new `in-reply-to` multiline design to look right with **Compact View** turned on, so that will go on my todo-list...

- My hack to use `--code` for coloring the icons does not really make sense, when you go a make them the same color as `--accent`, so I think i will make a new `--icon` css var, which I been planing to anyhow



Colors☝️ before and after 👇

@prologic Chould these seach-feeds just post the links to the posts that matches the searches like the way feeds.twtxt.net does it, and then it up to `yarnd` to show the preview of the post, which would be a nice feature to build anyway

`2022-10-19T13:57Z **Yarn Search alert:** ⌘ https://neotxt.dk/twt/sws5nrq`

@prologic yes I think so

@prologic hmm then i guess we need to come up with a way of showing authorship on individual post, if we are to compose new feeds based on others posts

@prologic yes yes yes, that what I been taking about since join this network. By my idea was just to filter the feeds you already follow.

So some way of reposting or embedded posts in post could be a way to do what you are imaging.

f we get link preview in the yarn UI, like we are already offering for other sites when they post a link to a yarn post, then I see this feature not too hard to make.

@prologic not the worst

@prologic when I log in to my old account on twtxt.net it looks like this:

@lyse and @prologic in the new UI for yarn search I will try to move the conversation link to the results list so you don't have to click twice to the to that view

@prologic you can change all the colors in the 03-colors.css - or what do you mean?

@prologic you can change all the colors in the 03-colors.css

@prologic yes

@quark In what you do you experience the UI to have regressed?

@prologic right now it just part of `yarnd` right? I would make a lot of sense to have it as a separate app for deploying on other site

@prologic I do't want to split the index in 3. The first two would be on the user's home pod only, a then you would be taken to a `yarns` instance
for the global search

Down the line I like to see that the end user will be offer three leves if search:

- Personal(ized) for only searching in feeds you follow (scope: Timeline)

- Local/pod for search only feeds that are hosted or followed by other people on your home pod (scope: Discover)

- Global for searching in all indexed feed

Maybe the 2nd level can be skipped, but it might become usefulness if the network grows and we get pods with special profiles like regional ones

@prologic would i make sense to move the global search to http://search.yarn.social or get another domain for it so it is not as as tidly bound to twrxt.net?

@prologic sure when I will go to bed yet...

@quark try switching to query string under options

@prologic great work. All booked this weekend with AFK stuff, but hope I will have time next week to do something about the UI/UX

@prologic I would leave it there now. Personally I'm not using link validation feature, so we could remove it of there is not objections. Regarding image view option, there are some improvements that I would like to do to how it's working atm

@prologic it is fixed by borrowing code from picoCSS in 00-pico-tech-debt.css, but it would be nice to redo it more in line with simpleCSS (someday/maybe)

@prologic yes, I'm just dreaming big. Let's just get something working

The filters shown will be depending on the search results and the numbers/frequently will be used for sorting under each filter and the only show the first 3-5 names and an unfold option to get to the rest

@prologic ah okay, I imagine something like `greb author`

@prologic i imagine some of the filters cen be done by adding a `+author:datch` to the query.

@prologic Not sure I know how to fix the issue, since I don't really know JS very well.

@prologic Sorry to say that the issue seem to have started with your commit ef79797f97

When I checkout the previous commit by Tai Groot 649978bbd2, build it and run on my server the issue with the disappearing Bookmark and Mute buttons are not there.

@prologic not sure it fixed yet...

#https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=bug> Anyone else noticed that clicking on Bookmarks or Mute make the icon disappear?




I belive it was cause by the CSS changes I made in yesterdays PR, which have already been merged to main, but trying to roll back the change does not seem to fix it, so it might have been ther for some time.

Will others please test on their pods and report back here?

just walking up,so yawn, coffe, yarn

@prologic Allright i did a little bug huting. Theres is a new PR ready now fixing some mobile UI bugs #1008

Please let me know if you are still finding odd UI stuff

@prologic there might still be som UI-isuues on mobile, so let look that over hopefully in the weekend

@stigatle Sig til hvis du trænger hjælp at opgradere :)

And for fixing your logo I found this online SVG editor quite helpful: https://www.rapidtables.com/web/tools/svg-viewer-editor.html

@stigatle are you on your own pod? If you upgrade to the latest version of yarn from source it should look like this:

You can also change it by targeting the element using the Custom CSS field, but I have also been thinking to change the colors myself in the new theme based on SimpleCSS

@prologic Would it help if i did not have the code-block stuff in the beginning?

As you can see in http://algorave.dk/bbs.txt I have been testing out a lot of ways to indicate the authorship of the post, but most of them does not render as expected on yarn

@BBS testing in-reply-to render of __bold__

@prologic why does this render like this instead of `[by: @darch@neotxt.dk]` ?

@prologic ah yeah, that's a cleaver way of doing it

@prologic Adding what-what?

@justamoment if you can guess the password you are in. Not very secure, but maybe it does not need to be

@justamoment I kinda had the same idea for using a twtxt file for incoming comment on a blog and the people could follow that feed to see the comment.

A way to implement it would be like I did at http://algorave.dk/bbs where everyone can comment if they know know the password

@eaplmx nice to see my old phpub2twtxt being used🤘

Never heard about `mlmmj` before, so might look into it. Do you have any web archive setup with it?

@akoizumi what list service are you running?

@prologic for my pod and all the pods to come i envision some kind of membership feed of maybe 1eur på month or 5eur pr year and then we will provide all the service you would need to selfhost you digital life. Similar to pikapod and sandstorm but way easier to use for the average person

@rrraksamam i3wm

@adi https://openmoji.org/

@prologic will the files only be stored on the original pod or federated to all pod following the person(a)?

@prologic I haven't, but my focus is on stuff that "just works" for normal people 😉

@tkanos I'm glad you like it. I got a ton more ideas for UI/UX improvement, but for October i will try (again) to focus more on writing blog post for blog.neotxt.dk about how yarn/twtxt can be part of setting our digital life free along other decentralisering tools

@adi thank you

🤘 cän yöü dö önë för yärn töö

@mckinley we could make the Reply, Fork etc. look more like buttons, but right now it's not on the top of my list either.

@mckinley or add vim shortcuts to yarn🤓

@prologic Hmm this seems like is a problem with the markdown parser not the CSS, since there are no HTML-elemt for the CSS to style...

@prologic try with some space --- or line-breaks

---

around the lines

@prologic try with some space --- or line-breaks
---
around the lines

@mckinley yes I saw no need for them and it was the easiest way to fix it.

In Danish there are an expression called "narrestreger" which literally means "fools strokes". I have learned from my sister, who is a visual designer, that you should just avoid using "narrestreger" since it only needed if your design is bad to begin with. You should rater use more blank-space, typography or colors to indicate division instead of lines.

@prologic yup that is my very hacky header menu I made by injection some html in the custom logo field. I didn't fix the mobile view for it yet

@prologic thanks 🙏

@prologic and @lyse. Those line are already removed in the latest PR😉

@prologic the fix is live now on neotxt.dk. let me know how it looks at your end?

@akoizumi i can't access the link...

There is a commit now in the theme branch. See if it fixes it for you

I guess I can just look at the screenshot you posted 😂

@prologic what's the screen width of your iPhone?

@prologic is it getting to an annoying level?

I would rather see a lot of other features before.

What are the advantages to an invite system compares to just close registration and add a contact form for applying for an account?

@prologic yes i noticed that myself, in on my backlog

@brasshopper mine is over 500 MB, so I had to move my yarn-dev out of my dropbox...

@tkanos Æooks interesting. Especially likes their description of what it is and what it's not. We could use something like that for yarn.social. And they got a cute logo too. @thecanine something you could be up for?

It should be ready now

Just fixed a typo: `G0` -> `GO`

Is `GIO` also a typo?

it in the tech debt PR, but i'm working on a better design as we speak

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@mckinley we already got a title field in form of `(subject)` -- it's just hidden here on yarn by design

I agree with @lyse on this. It is outside the scope of twtxt as a microbloging protocol to start including more formel metadata fields such as titles

@prologic The lightbox is also using the modal feature from pico.css...

@prologic yup, there is a modal feature build into pico.css that i have not copied to the the theme

@prologic Allready did that, because I found it confusing too:

@prologic Yes that is an new "feature" (not a bug™️) - I have made it to be limited to 3 lines after I made the PR.

Anything else you have found to be off/odd?

@eaplmx I see it as a way to add feed to all sort of sites so people don't have to relay on twitter, facebook and instragam to share their updates, but instead selfhost a twtxt.txt that people can follow in any way they see fit

@akoizumi How does it look when you inspect the site?

@akoizumi do you have JS turned off? Because it seem that there are some event that decides the visibility of follow/unfollow

@akoizumi I don't have that issue on my pod...

@BBS test replying to the #https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=algoraveBBS>

@akoizumi yeah but I did change some things in other part of the code so you might get some errors or stuff will not show as intented

@akoizumi Cool, let know if you need any help. You need to build `yarnd` from the branch and replace it on your pod-server (remember to backup the old yard binary;)

@tkanos nice work. What are the ranking based on? Number of posts in the feed?

@mckinley thank for the notes.

The new Simple.css based theme is online now at neotxt.dk thanks to the help of @prologic and there is a PR pending now too.

here: https://meet.jit.si/yarn.social

I also just woke up☕

@tkanos the orange is the default dark mode from simplecss.org - you can also find it inside 03-colours.css in the branch repo. I'm on my phone so can't pull out the hex code right now, but now you know where to look;)

@eaplmx they are only visible in my custom theme on neotxt.dk, but if you hover the icons on twtxt.net you should see the times as well

@eaplmx you can't know unless you follow them allready.

But I have been brewing on an idea to let you inform someone when you start to follow them, if they are open for such notifications. It could either be via webmetions or simply an option in the UI to email them if they have given disclose that in their twtxt.txt. There is also an option in the original spec to see who follows you in your webservers logfiles

@tkanos that combinde could maybe be called "Chime in" in the UI

@tkanos like this?
Seem we are missing the reply to treads that you have started, but where people have not necessary mentioned you in - great idea to have that too:)

@mckinley Yeah I talked to the developer of picoblog via twitter and he said he would put a Apache License 2.0 on picoblog, which mean i guess pixelblog would have to use the same license since it to some extend is a fork of the former. Why do you ask?

@prologic yeah im up for that, but make sure to metion my current profile at neotxt.dk, snot the old one at twtxt.dk😉

@eapl.mx Hola amigo, it seems to work :)

@eaplmx Pixelblog should be mostly plug and play. No need for you to mess around with coding php.

@prologic 'go' for it ;)

@eaplmx To reply to a message or tread you add the hash-tag from the URL of the message your want to reply to in parentheses to the beginning of your message.

For this conversation or tread it would be `DATETIME your reply here...`

@akoizumi it not gone here:

@eapl.mx You could take a look at picoblog that I have been using on my websites and my pixelblog project

I believe I have fixed what I found of issues on the main pages, so theme_simpleCSS should be ready for daily use and a merge with main soon.

One big change is that the Custom Secondary Color under Settings now control the icons and inline-code instead of Hover/Select Color as before

@tkanos Haha no worries 🤙 Maybe we will leave that issue for later. Just really great with all the feedback and to see that you guys want more color options 🎨

@tkanos Ouch there is a scenario that I didn't anticipate... You might have to run you own pod to be able to change between two dark themes if the change is to be controlled automatically by your OS/browser.

Or we need to extend the option for custom CSS beyond just a primary/accent and secondary/icon color...
Hmm we could add the option to just add each of those for a dark _and_ and light mode.

@mckinley The good thing is you we do not have to just pick one. The idea with themes are that people can pick what colors they want

@mckinley Is this what you were asking for?

@akoizumi also some of the theming is done via the Poderator option to add custom css, which is a mess due to PicoCSS "design" choices

It's homemade. And yes it is the one at https://git.mills.io/sorenpeter/neotxt_theme

You are welcome to fork it, but I will redo it when we got the new yarn_theme_simpleCSS in the main branch of yarn

@mckinley gotcha, so similar to how the `nav` elements are styled now on twtxt.net?

Actually if you look closely the icons are more yellow and the link text are orange, but I can try to make a version of the two first theme where icons and accent are the same or vrey close to the same color.

@mckinley oh you mean just the **icons**? Would that be the main text like the twts or do you mean the accent/link color?

@eaplmx thanks, yeah I also like the freshness of the blue/magenta the most. It is the the default light colors of simple.css and very similar to my colorscheme on blog.neotxt.dk 😉

@mckinley thank you:) you meen if there was no accent color so it would be all monochrome?

The only difference between 2nd and 4th is the accent, but you mean to have a light version with orange accent?

@tkanos Cool idea

@prologic can you jump on IRC and help me merge the two brances?

@prologic so if pull down `main` again it should work?

There is also the other kind of bots, that we do stuff when you for example `@metion` them or use use a specific `#tag` in you posts. Have anyone made something like that for text or could I be part of a yarn pod to script these kind of bots?

@prologic would this be a way to hosting private feeds? I had this idea to use SSH for private feeds some time ago instead of encrypting eatch twt in the txt

@abucci try: don't care about cookies

@prologic any inputs?

@prologic yup i seen it

@prologic in Denmark it is legal, but not in Sweden or Norway afaik cc: @stigatle

there are also some good options at: https://alternativeto.net/software/doodle/?platform=self-hosted

Looks good:

@prologic there is already a poll app on: https://webxdc.org/
So I guess it would not take too much work adding timezone suppor (or i'm sure Tom Scott would disagree)

@prologic I think we could use deltachats new decentralising app format for it: https://delta.chat/en/2022-06-14-webxdcintro

@prologic it's called e-mail

@lyse you were talking about openGL just when I joined also

@lyse and the URL?

@prologic whitch is?

Here is a doodle for picking a time this weekend for our video call https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e3lBX7Ra

@prologic woops missed the part about me managing it

@prologic what is the time again in UTC?

@mckinley Doodle is a tool for ageening on a time for meeting by voting in the times they got time. https://doodle.com/meeting/organize/groups

@prologic Yeah I imaging that could be an issue living closer to the Date Line. Would it make something like a doodle each week to see who would be up for meeting at what time and the we can adjust it?

@prologic and @abucci any chance we can have the video call on Sunday UTC, since i'm ofter busy on Satuday mornings? I'm I Denmark so same timezone as our German and Norwegian friends

@prologic The numbers on yarn.social seem to be back to normal now. But for me it is very appreciated that you pull the numbers of active user from my pod. What counts as a active user?

@screem try this https://www.vultr.com/marketplace/apps/yarn/ (what I'm using for neotxt.dk ;) and it sets me back USD 7.69 each month

@prologic if it to be removed, then yarn should not hide the `(tags)` in these posts as well as collapsing them into treads as is the case now:
- https://neotxt.dk/twt/jouh5xa
- https://neotxt.dk/twt/yy3cr5q
- https://neotxt.dk/twt/dja53eq
- https://neotxt.dk/twt/wovpq6a

@prologic og yeahbthat makes sense

@movq Chould “Traditional Human-Readable Topics” be used for something like channels like:
- `(events)`
- `(morning-coffee)`
- `(Yarn-Dev)`

hi @myway and welcome to my pod in the yarnsphere

@eaplmx twtxt is the protocol used by Yarn.social, which is an app you can install. See instructions on https://yarn.social , https://dev.twtxt.net/ and https://twtxt.readthedocs.io

@prologic @lyse but they are all tail...🤔

isn't it just similar to how Mastodon is the bigger user of ActivityPub and Element the bigger user of Matrix, and so on and so on.

@prologic i tried to fork it, but got bad request again. I was replying to @andreottica who I believe also made a profile on your pod

@andreottica Svar på dine mange sprøgsmål kan du finde på https://yarn.social/

@andreottica Du poster din beskeder på den server, hvor du har valgt at have din profil. Jeg kan se at du har oprettet profiler både her på neotxt.dk og på twtxt.txt, korrekt? De opslagt du laver fra hver profil, vil blive gemt på dens server, men hvis folk følger din profil på andre servere, så vil dine besked også bliver vist her. Jeg håber at det giver mening, ellers så kan @prologic eller andre uddybe.
Jeg er enig i at det skal være nemt for almindelige mennsker at bruge yarn.social - og velkommen til :)

@prologic both links for Android does not work/is not updated

@prologic what's "Convergence" ?

next level would be to only ofter your content via RSS: https://shinobi.website/index.txt

> A shinobi website is a text-based, RSS focused blogging "system". I put the word system in quotes since it's really just a simple bash script that converts plain text files into an RSS feed. So, it isn't an actual blogging platform or website in the traditional sense.

@eaplmx there are stateless rss-readers, that only shows you a list of feeds, and no indication about if it have been "read" or not. I'm using moonmoon at the moment, but I hope that yarn.social some day will be my stateless reader for everything

@rrraksamam you can only delete or edit your last post. But if you delete you latest post, you can then edit/delete the second to last. Also if you selfhost your `twtxt.txt` (like I do at http://darch.dk/twtxt.txt ), you can just edit it whenever you want to. But this will break replies/treads because it based on the content of the message, and not just the URL+datetime as defined in https://dev.twtxt.net/doc/twtsubjectextension.html

@prologic It could be nice if we could toggle flat view from the timeline

@retrocrash

dunno... right now it seem i broke the CSS as well. how does neotxt.dk look at your end? it might be cloudflare caching that's the issue...

@prologic Been watching his video from some time now - cool stuff.

@marado I kinda implemente twtxt comment on this site: http://algorave.dk/bbs/

@ullarah i read "beer" nap - still havn't had my coffee (it's 7am here)

@eaplmx that sound very expensive. But using a vultr VPS running the yarn app and cloudflaire can be set up fairly easy. The more pods the better 😃

@novaburst Thank you for that 👍

@prologic maybe, but i doubt that is what happens all the time. Often it keeps the draft text from some other "session" if that makes sense and I have a suspension that this might be part of the problem. Like the hidden `(#txthash)` messing things up, maybe a JS-issue... CC: @ullarah

@prologic i meant "reply"

@prologic I hope to upgrade sometime this coming week. (Same thing for this reply - i need to copy/paste the twthash to avoid the `bad request`-error and creat a new post from the frontpage instead of in the conversation view)

So to post this is had to copy/past the twthash manually

@prologic Do you mean to just refresh the page in the browser? Because I have tried it and it does not work. It seem to only happen when I try to replay

@prologic signed up. Now I just hope I will wake up that early on Saturday 😃

@prologic let me know if you need any clarifications :)

@prologic Cool, that should be doable (7AM CEST)

@ullarah I will do that👍

@prx nice I will give this a go an maybe integrate into #https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=pixelblog> on github

@mckinley see https://neotxt.dk/twt/cfovyhq where I list some that I been trying out.

Cool, is this someting that cane be used like dropbox?

@prologic seem like twtxt.net does not whiteliste neotxt.dk as of yet

@prologic Thank you, and this is how it looks for my (2-4?) users:

@ullarah Thanks, yes, that was just what I was looking for👍

@ullarah Like on your pod you have set what looks like `--primary` to an orange color event for people not having an account there.

@ullarah yes I did that already 😉 but I'm talking about people who just come across my pod and are not logged in. Can I use the custom CSS field to show other than the default pico/yarn colours to them?

@prologic and @ullarah is there an easy/propper way of changed the CSS colour scheme for users not logged into your pod? I'm currently on yarn 0.13 running in the vultr app

@prologic also fine with me

@prologic so it shoud be set to "Proxied" and not "DNS only" in cloudflare?!

yeah, I'm having some issues with minifying the CSS compared to running my in dev-mode

@prologic hmm that's exactly what I tied but it didn't work... That is the IP without the port number 🤔

@prologic thanks for the hæds up

@prologic ah so I guess I missed the `:443` port thing🤔 I need to add the port number to the IP in my DNS (i.e. cloudflaire), right?

@prologic what `mau` and `dau` ?

@prologic with the vultr yarn app, do I still need a reverse proxy like Træfik?

How does it look now?

Sweet🚀

What happened to the feature where you could subscribe via atom to a yarn account?

Thx, it's the same in my mobile. I will take a look at it.

@mutefall what do you mean by
> aggregate via rss myself ?

Yes, I have just been organizing my feeds today and trying out different readers such as MiniFlux (thanks @jlj for hosting:), Selfoss, Feed-on-Feeds, fraidyc.at, and NetNewsWire. But as I talked with @prologic about on the videocall I also want to use my Yarn-pod as way to read feeds, when we got the List-feature up and running.

@prologic and here is another one: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/issues/931

@prologic here ya go: https://git.mills.io/yarnsocial/yarn/issues/930

@prologic so I need compile my own binary to make this happen atm?

@tkanos feature or bug?

@ullarah and @prologic Also what is the proper way to change the titles from "Yarn.social Dark" and "Yarn.social Light" to something else when running yarnd via docker?

I can see the stings are defined in `active.en.toml` but I guess the are build into in binary?!

@ullarah I kinda like it. What is the best way to set the default team for non-user to no use picoCSS, but use colors from colours.css?

@ullarah What does `html[data-theme="simple"]` do compared to `html[data-theme="dark-classic"]` in internal/static/css/colors.css ?

@ullarah 5 full days off work and almost no set plans. Who is up for yarn hackatoning? What times are good for you folks?

@ullarah the way I understand/envision list is a way to organise feed using tags or folder similar to many RSS readers. It would work like Timeline, Discover and Mentions. Down the line when we got full text search there could also be filters on any sting on a post level as well. But I guess we could do #https://neotxt.dk/search?tag=tags> now already?!
I got some idea for the datamodel and the GUI I would like to discuss with someone who knows what possible.

@ullarah ah thanks. So it is in two places, not one, that's why I did find it😉

@prologic I believe `extra_hosts:` was still set to `twtxt.net`

@lyse We also call the orange thing "gulerod" (yellow-root) in danish. You call bananas for roots?

@prologic thx :)

@prologic I mangaged to fix it. There was still somewhere in the docker yarn.yaml that it said `twtxt.net`instead of `neotxt.dk` - Now I got nice avatars and my timeline on neotxt.dk is up to date with accounts from twtxt.net :)

yup

@mckinley haha i like the FAQ 😉